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We Saved Too Much for Retirement

We didn’t mean to, but we saved too much for retirement- way too much. This happened for a few reasons, including marital politics and a retirement package that I would get if I waited just a LITTLE longer. Thanks to a roaring bull market and being heavily invested in equities, we now have about twice my original savings target. Due to the retirement package, we won’t need to take a dime out of the portfolio for at least three more years. If we started spending now, we’d be withdrawing 2% of our portfolio- far less than our 3.5% target. In a few years my husband will be old enough to get Social Security which will reduce the withdrawal rate below 1.5%. We are actually having trouble wrapping our heads around our current account balance. We never expected to have so much.

Having this much money wasn’t really the goal- the goal was just to get away from my job. After the ’08-09 recession, I decided I didn’t want to work in my industry any longer. Unfortunately unemployment was sky-high, and I was the only thing keeping some of my clients invested in the market. I didn’t want to abandon them when things seemed so uncertain. I didn’t know what else I wanted to do, I only knew I was tired of what I’d been doing for the last 13 years. Like everyone else’s finances, ours were slow to recover after the recession. Early retirement didn’t look like a possibility until 2012 or 2013. At that point all the investments we purchased when the market was at rock bottom were looking brilliant, my job was more tolerable, and I was making more money than I ever had. I was still looking at other jobs, but I would have had to take a huge pay cut. I ran the numbers, and if I stayed where I was and continued to invest like we had been, I could retire in 2017 or 2018. If I changed jobs, I would be working longer.

Just before 2017, when I was looking seriously at turning in my notice, the company came out with a really good retirement plan. It included several years of severance pay and access to health insurance, which was increasingly attractive in an uncertain healthcare environment. The best part about it was that my husband liked the idea. Up until this point he had been completely against me quitting my job. The worst part is that I didn’t qualify for it because I was too young. I would have to wait till February 2020 to do it. My husband loved that part too. The severance pay added a degree of safety to the plan that I appreciated, since I’d seen first hand how fast a plan dependent on market returns could go wrong. I decided to stay even though our assets reached the “safe retirement number” by December of ’17. The market continued its upward climb, and by the time I was “old enough” to retire, we had much more than the original goal.

We don’t LOOK like we have this much money. I drive a 3 year old Subaru that I bought used, my husband (like most other men where we live) drives a pickup truck- a pretty average one. Our house is very nice, but not especially large or luxurious. I don’t really care about designer things, so I don’t have any, though I will admit that my kids sport the usual assortment of athletic brands on their clothes and shoes. They have about average for the kids where we live. The only way people would know is that we take long vacations to some interesting (and not cheap) locations.

We don’t really want anyone to know our financial situation. It was the thing I was most nervous about when I announced that I was going to retire. I had to call all of my clients, and when you call 300 people in a small town, EVERYONE will know. Some people already knew the “scoop” by the time I called them on the second day. There are a lot of stay-at-home moms around here, and I’m trying to masquerade as one of those. When people asked, I implied that I plan on getting another job after a few years off. People treat you differently when they know you have money, and not always in a good way.

I suspect our spending has gone up a bit since the last time I tracked it. I stopped looking at it for a while when I was busy working, but I am logging expenses again. Even tracking it for just a little while, I have noticed some areas that could be improved. Do I need to improve them? Probably not, but I dislike waste. I’m still frugal. I can’t seem to help it and neither can my husband, but as we have accumulated a somewhat daunting net worth, we have relaxed a little about our spending.

My more relaxed attitude about money doesn’t seem like a big deal, but its lovely not to obsess about every purchase. We spent a weekend in the mountains recently, just to get out of the house. For a lot of reasons, including some changes in the weather, it wasn’t really much fun. It wasn’t cheap either. A few years ago, I’d have been upset that our trip didn’t go as planned, and that the accommodations were not as advertised, but I’m a little more relaxed about it now. It would be lovely to make optimal decisions about everything, every time, but life doesn’t work that way. No point in being upset about that. We have decided that vacation is not the time to be penny-pinching, or to beat yourself up over a spending mistake. It interferes with fun, which is the point of vacation, so stop it already.

We are upgrading a few things and tending to some overdue maintenance. We finished the barn behind our house and made a really nice workshop that my husband and kids are enjoying. That freed up some storage space to make a nice potting shed for me. We also built a pergola over the back porch and finished an outdoor grilling station we had been meaning to install since we moved in 8 years ago. We’re going to put new gravel at the camp because it becomes a muddy mess when it rains. I hate the chest freezer I bought for the house, and we’re going to buy an upright one, even though there is nothing wrong with the one we have. I’m even considering laser surgery for my eyes. Contacts worked well for me when I was young, but my aging eyes like them less every year. We might even start flying business class for longer trips.

We have thought about increasing our daily spending habits, but haven’t done it for a couple of reasons. The first is that we have everything we need and most of what we want. We’re not comfortable with being “flashy.” We both grew up in rural areas and are used to a low-key lifestyle. Honestly, if you stopped by my house in the summertime, you’d probably see me barefoot in the yard with my hair in a ponytail. Our typical get-togethers with friends are barbecuing in the backyard, drinks around someone’s fire pit, or kayaking on one of the local waterways. A friend who moved here from New York City told me that his favorite thing about living here is that its so cheap to have a good time.

Where we live, its actually harder to spend money. There are very few restaurants to choose from (and none of them are fabulous) and its a half hour drive to a mall or shopping center. Until last year, we didn’t even have a coffee shop. There is only one club to join in town. Its a golf club and we don’t play. Also, thanks to the coffee incident, we have learned that making luxuries a habit can make you LESS happy, and we certainly don’t want to do that. The occasional treats have become a little more frequent, though.

From a strictly financial point of view, its obvious I could have retired a few years ago. It is a pointless exercise to analyze whether or not I made the correct decision, but I can’t seem to help doing it. And I do know that people justify whatever decision they made as the right one, even if the evidence is to the contrary. I’ve had several people tell me that they sold their stock investments at the bottom of the market decline in 2009, but that was a good decision, because they paid their house off, or whatever.

The results of the choice I didn’t make (retiring at 44 instead of 48) are unknowable, but there are a few decisions that might have been different. We stumbled on a cabin on a local river that we bought and have come to love. It was a purchase we probably would not have made had I not been working at that time. We were grateful to have it last summer when every other fun thing to do got cancelled. A year ago, our 16 year old began having some issues that we couldn’t seem to solve. A private school was an option that we probably wouldn’t have considered due to the hefty tuition. We decided to enroll him and it has turned out to be a wonderful solution.

I don’t know what our portfolio is doing on a daily basis anymore. I know that’s partly because I’m not at work staring at stock quotes all day, but its nice not to have to think about it so much. I thought I’d be even more worried about our finances since I will soon no longer have a paycheck, but that hasn’t been the case.

The last few years at work were pretty miserable, and retirement so far has been wonderful. Did I make a good trade by sticking out the last few years? Impossible to say for sure, but maybe I did.

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The Season of Giving

For years I didn’t donate very much to charity. Perhaps when we became financially independent I began to feel safe. In recent years I’ve been donating a lot. And it’s fun!

A month or two ago a group of missionaries came to our church and spoke about their experiences. They set up a table selling religious trinkets to benefit their cause. I really didn’t want anything except a stretchy bead bracelet with a cross on it. It was $3 I think. I wrote a hefty check and left the change. They were astonished, which was fun. I think it’s now the most expensive bracelet I own!

We also write checks to a free health clinic, a foreign orphanage, a food pantry, and housing for the elderly poor, and support for injured military and their families, and our church. The checks are pretty large- my husband winces when he sees them come through the account, but we are incredibly blessed and I think we should share at least some of our good fortune with others who don’t have as much.

Generally I’m cheap, but after the checks I just wrote, that seems a little silly. I guess being cheap the rest of the year excuses generosity in December…

Merry Christmas to you and yours-

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Dumb Stuff We Did and How Much it Set Us Back

Getting ready to retire has made me scrutinize our plan and our finances. I got a CFP colleague to look at it as well. Does it look great? Absolutely. Could we have done it better? Yes.

Paying Rent and Not to Ourselves

We just realized the other day that we should have bought the building that housed our business. We paid rent to someone for twenty years. If we had thought about it, we should have bought a building and paid the rent to ourselves.

My husband has tried to talk me into getting into the rental house business for years. Once or twice during our marriage, we rented a house we couldn’t sell. I hated it, and did not want to do it again. My husband is far too nice to deal with renters- he’d cave in to every sad story about why the rent is late, etc. But an office- that would probably be different. Should have done that. Cost of error- at least $100K

Not Saving Strategically

When I was putting together our portfolio to be reviewed by a CFP, I realized we have far too much in our Roth and cash accounts. While this is not a problem per se, We could have saved a lot of money in taxes if we had contributed more to a pre-tax 401K and less to the Roth IRA.

I thought we’d be retiring earlier than we are going to, and would need more access to our money- which our cash account and Roth accounts would have provided. What has actually happened is that my husband will only be a year out from being able to access his retirement funds when the paychecks stop. Cost? Probably $50k in excess taxes paid. Ouch. At least our kids will benefit from that.

Business Error

My husband started a business before we got married. He didn’t ask for enough money in his original loan application from the bank. Some competitors colluded and sold their products at below cost to drive him out of business, and it very nearly worked. An acquaintance offered him a deal- more operating capital for a share in his business. Cost of error? Half of his business profits. Don’t even want to know.

Divorce

What seems like a million years ago, I married someone who wasn’t on the same page as I am financially. He loved stuff, credit, and never thought about how much things cost. He wasn’t motivated to find a job and I ended up supporting him for most of our (mercifully brief) marriage. If we’d stayed married another year, I’d have owed HIM alimony. I was angry for many years about the money I spent getting out of that marriage, but it was money well spent. If I hadn’t, I wouldn’t be retiring in 74 days…

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Dumb Stuff We Did That Helped Us Retire Early

Spending

When my income finally rose to the point where I was easily making ends meet, I noticed that I spent whatever was in my checking account and every month. This was surprising to me as the amount of the deposit varied quite a bit. And I couldn’t tell you what I spent more on in the good months. That meant that whatever it was I was wasting money on didn’t make me happier, so I decided to stop myself from doing that.

I had my paycheck deposited into my savings account and I worked out a sort of “allowance” for myself, since I hate budgeting. I calculated my worst months pay, and that was my allowance. And then I forgot about it- for a couple of years. Meanwhile my earnings went up a bunch. But I didn’t really need to spend more money- my allowance was plenty. So my savings and investment account grew rapidly. I accidentally prevented myself from participating in lifestyle inflation. Cool.

Saving

Sadly, you are not allowed to have a temper tantrum when you have a bad day at work. What I did instead was increase my 401k contribution percentage when I had a bad day. This works especially well in my field of finance, as I had more bad days when the stock market was down. I bought even more shares when they were on sale.

Peer Pressure

We kept our old friends even when we started out-earning them. We kept our spending the same while our income was rising. We certainly know people who spend more lavishly than we do, but we haven’t made an effort to hang out with them. Instead, we kept our old circle of friends who like to come over and watch a football game with us or go boating on the local river. No one has ever invited us to join them on a Safari or South American hunting trip- thank goodness. Peer pressure is real, so we’re careful who we hang out with.

Debt

We hated debt. After we married, we sold my house and paid off his. We never borrowed money for a house or car after that- ever again. The lack of any kind of payments allowed us to save crazy amounts of money.

Location

We live in a very low cost of living area. Our state has extremely low property taxes, and property is cheap. We have a lovely home on 7 acres that we couldn’t have afforded in many places. Since we make a good deal more than average for our area, we ARE the Joneses. My kids never (okay, almost never) complain that their stuff is not as cool as their friends’ stuff- and we still save a lot. It isn’t as easy to find a higher earning job in a low cost of living area, but if you can do it, your income can go a long way to advancing your FIRE goals.

Next post- Dumb Things We Did, and How Much They Cost Us…

What did you do that helped you on the path to FIRE?

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On Marriage and FIRE

Lots of the FIRE blogs I read sound like the husband and wife team are perfectly aligned in their goal of FIRE. We’re not. I love to talk about money. I do it for a living. He feels weird about it- not about purchases or investments- he feels weird about discussing our goals, and what we expect to leave our children. It was like pulling teeth to get him to make a will. He didn’t want to discuss life insurance, and he especially didn’t want to talk about retirement.

My husband is the ideal partner for financial independence. He grew up poor with an abhorrence of waste and debt. I learned lots of things from him about managing our home finances, as he’d grown up with parents who were masters at managing on very little income. I was fortunate in meeting him before I had a significant income. I have always been careful to spend within my means, but without his influence, I might have developed some spendy habits.

We grew up entirely differently. My parents are upper middle class, we lived in a beautiful home and went to private schools. Mom and Dad had gone to college and we were expected to do the same. They are financially quite well off and are currently enjoying a lovely retirement. They didn’t mind debt though, and they were usually making a few payments on something or other. They thought that was normal and so did I. I remember reading a personal finance book when I was a teen and telling my dad it would be awesome if you could buy a house by just saving up and not having a mortgage. He told me that nobody could do that.

My husband’s family lived on land adjoining his grandparents. They had chickens before it was fashionable- and an outhouse. His parents weren’t college educated, and they lived in a house his dad built with his own hands. They grew or killed most of the food they ate. No one retired where he grew up- they just worked until they physically couldn’t anymore. Neither one of his parents EVER owned a credit card.

I grew up expecting to go on vacation. My parents went on AT LEAST two vacations a year. So after we’d been married a year or two, I brought up the subject of vacation. He said we “couldn’t afford it”. This was absurd. We certainly could afford it, but I realized that “we can’t afford it” is what he heard to nearly every request at his house that required money.

He adjusted to the idea that vacations were important to me, even if he didn’t care about them. I adjusted to the idea that not all vacations had to be extravagant. I realized that maybe we didn’t need all the things my parents had- my husband hadn’t needed them, and we certainly didn’t need to finance- well anything.

Fast forward to about 6 years ago when I started getting serious about retiring early. At this point, thanks to our 12 years of frugal marriage, we have a big pile of savings that I am planning on using for us to retire early. This is where we can’t see eye to eye- in fact he didn’t even want to talk about it. He didn’t want to retire, and didn’t want me to retire either. He actually implied that I was lazy for not wanting to work anymore. There was definitely something going on here. I showed him numbers, charts and graphs, but he wouldn’t, or perhaps couldn’t think about this.

Along the way, I went to a work conference and learned about generational differences- this hadn’t even occurred to me. My husband is eight and a half years older than me and the last of the baby-boomers. I am Gen-X. He views work as some sort of virtue. I have to admit that I love his work ethic- he is the hardest working man I know and that makes me feel safe. But I don’t share his compulsion to work. I view work as what you do in order to get money. Unless you would do your job for free, when you have all the money you are ever reasonably going to spend, why would you keep working?

And if all this wasn’t enough, the four years I waited to retire allowed a lot of growth in our portfolio. We probably need to spend more than we ever did when we were working- and he is not comfortable with this. I am frugal so that we will have money for the things we really want to do in retirement. I didn’t work hard just to HAVE money, I want to have the freedom to do whatever I want to with my time, and do and see the things I want to. He just likes to have it- it makes him feel safe.

We don’t agree about kids inheritances either. Attaining financial independence is one of the proudest achievements in my life (so far). We worked hard and saved hard and achieved it all on our own. I don’t want to take that away from our children by leaving them too much money. He would like to give them opportunities (to start a business perhaps) that we didn’t have. We’re still debating that one- hopefully we have plenty of time.

We’re making progress, sort of. He’s learned to like vacation and is mostly a good sport when I drag him all over the world with me. He now occasionally brings up things he’d like to do when we’re retired. He’s begun to ask questions when I talk about nerdy things like withdrawal rates and the optimal time to take Social Security. Some things he still doesn’t want to talk about- but that’s okay. I get it. This whole thing is a little weird for both of us. We have more money than either of us ever dreamed of. And quitting- its still scary.

What do you and your spouse agree or disagree on?

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The Coffee Incident

About 5 years ago I couldn’t think of anything to give my husband for Valentine’s day. This is not an unusual situation at holidays- my husband is happy with what he has as long as it works. In order to get him something he really wants, you have to find something that is broken that he hasn’t replaced yet.

I was in Starbucks (someone must have given me a gift card- that’s the only reason I ever go in there) and I saw a bag of Guatemalan coffee. We’d had a lovely vacation in Guatemala a year or two before, and really enjoyed the coffee plantation tour there. Perfect- a pound of memory coffee. I plunked it on the counter and tried not to wince at the price. I had to buy a bean grinder too- because it was whole bean, of course.

He was delighted- sort of. More so than the heart boxer shorts I’d given him the year before. The coffee was good. Really good. We ground and happily drank all of it. And then we couldn’t go back. The old coffee? It was awful. We had no idea how awful till we tried the good stuff. And guess what? Our small town grocery store didn’t have any good stuff. I had to drive 30 minutes to get anything comparable. So we are still doing that- 5 years later. Most expensive Valentines Day gift ever.

The really sad thing is, we are LESS happy than we were before. Before the Valentine’s gift, we were happy with all coffee. We never complained about the coffee in hotels- we thought it was fine. Now we are only happy with expensive coffee. And even though it tastes better, we hate grinding coffee. We never had to do that when we bought it in a plastic container at the grocery store. So when someone wants to “teach us” to appreciate fine wine or whiskey, we politely refuse- we’re good.

The scientific name for this is hedonic adaptation. If you treat yourself to something regularly, it becomes the new normal-your new baseline- your new minimum level for happiness. So after your luxury becomes”normal” it doesn’t make you happier, but anything less makes you LESS happy. The solution is to treat yourself without making it the new normal. Do it occasionally. So have Middleton’s whiskey occasionally, but don’t make it so that you’re unhappy without it. Or at least think about it before you create a new baseline for your happiness. What are YOU thinking about upgrading to?